Gabrielle Hartley, divorce lawyer, coach, and mediator, shares the five key elements to navigating divorce in a healthy way. The Brave Files.

Better Apart: When Divorce is the Healthy Option

With Featured Guest

Gabrielle Hartley


Top Takeaways From This Episode

  • We’re all people, and we’re not perfect!
  • Change begins with awareness.
  • We have to come out from behind the shadows and silence and start talking about divorce. We need to be brave.

Gabrielle Hartley is a divorce lawyer, coach, and mediator. She helps people navigate relationships, even failing ones, in a healthy manner. Gabrielle is known for her unique, non-toxic approach to divorce; she even wrote the book on it! Her five key elements to navigating divorce in a better way helps people through this difficult transition by encouraging internal reflection in a positive light. Join us as we learn about the power found through deeply engaging with what’s hard and how that internal awareness brings about change.

The Gift of Peaceful Separation

Gabrielle’s parents divorced when she was a child. However, it wasn’t until she spent time working in family law that she realized their amicable separation was a true gift. After navigating hundreds and hundreds of families through their own divorces, Gabrielle felt called to contribute in a more impactful way. She knew she could help others reach reasonable, if not positive, resolutions through divorce. It’s no small action to not only tell people they’ll be okay, but to also show them how to be okay.

Navigating Divorce

Gabrielle developed a focus on five key elements to navigating divorce in a better way. Those elements are patience, respect, clarity, peace, and forgiveness. She shows others that it’s all about you and how you feel about yourself. Gabrielle encourages others to deeply engage with themselves, no matter how bad the breakup might be. Divorcing in a better way means turning your focus inward and taking control of how you respond to the situations around you. This idea often referred to as ‘conscious uncoupling,’ benefits every single person involved.

Divorce is hard. But there are ways to come out on the other side as a whole.

Divorce does not mean you’re broken.

Gabrielle Hartley, divorce lawyer, coach, and mediator, shares the five key elements to navigating divorce in a healthy way. The Brave Files.

The Power of Positivity

Gabrielle focuses on the power found in feeling good about yourself and passing that legacy on to your children. In turn, your children feel like they come from something whole. Divorce is never easy, even if it’s the right thing to do, so it’s super important to draw our attention to ways in which we can address the entire topic in a more positive light.

Additionally, she teaches those working through divorce to reframe the narrative and take control of their life. There’s incredible power in choosing to own your story. She demonstrates the fact that words matter. The way you think about divorce matters. The way you view yourself through divorce matters. So it’s incredibly brave to choose kindness, even when you’re hurting.

Helpful Resources Mentioned in Gabrielle’s Interview:

Leadership and Self-Deception: Getting Out of the Box by The Arbinger Institute

Divorce Rates in the US

If You're Looking For Support in Divorcing Peacefully, Check Out Gabrielle's Masterclass “Better Apart.

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Giving is Good

Believing in the importance of taking care of our environment, Gabrielle supports the Sierra Club. This organization champions solutions to the climate crisis while fighting for environmental and social justice. The Sierra Club actively works towards clean air, safe water, and land protection all while encouraging people to get outside and enjoy the outdoors.

"My mission is focused on feeling good about yourself throughout divorce and then passing that legacy on to your children. This allows your children to feel like they come from something whole."

- Gabrielle Hartley

Meet your Host, <em style="color:teal">Heather Vickery<em>

Meet your Host, Heather Vickery

Heather Vickery is an award-winning business owner and global leader with over 20 years as an entrepreneur. She leverages her entrepreneurial skills and expertise to coach individuals towards greater personal and professional fulfillment by helping them leverage their fear into intentional bravery. Heather says “When we choose bravely, on purpose, we choose bigger, have bigger successes and it’s contagious” A celebrated public speaker, Heather inspires audiences and empowers attendees with the tools they need to live bold and successful lives through creating balance, time management, mindfulness, as well as countless systems, strategies, and boundaries. She’s the author of Gratitude Journal: Shift Your Focus and Grow Grateful: A Gratitude Journal for Kids and Families. Heather is also the host and executive producer of The Brave Files Podcast.

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